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Dialogues — Conversations with my teacher

The Formless Ground

As a child, I was endlessly curious.

I would lie under the night sky, stare at the stars, and wonder: What are they made of? What is space made of? What am I made of?

Science gave me some answers—atoms, molecules, subatomic particles. For a while, that felt satisfying. But eventually, every answer gave rise to another question. What are atoms made of? What holds subatomic particles together? Where does it all end?

Years later, I found myself returning to these same questions, this time guided by a very different kind of teacher. She introduced me to the teachings of Vedanta, and what followed was not a lecture but a quiet conversation that transformed the way I understood reality. No formulas. No theories. Just a few metaphors, careful listening, and one small gold bangle.

The Bangle That Wasn't

One sunny afternoon, I was talking to my teacher about my childhood fascination with the “stuff” of the universe.

She listened, then reached into her bag and handed me a small gold bangle.

“What do you see?” she asked.

“A bangle,” I replied, wondering where this was going.

“And what is it made of?”

“Gold.”

She nodded. “Now imagine we melt this bangle down and reshape it into a ring. What has changed?”

“The form,” I said. “It is now a gold ring instead of a gold bangle.”

“And if we reshape it again into a necklace? Or an earring? Or melt it back into a bangle?”

I began to smile. “The ornaments will change. The gold will remain.”

She smiled in return. “Exactly. Only the name and form change.”

The Illusion of Form

She glanced around the room and picked up a small clay pot from the shelf.

“This is a pot made of clay,” she said. “What would happen if I dropped it?”

“It would break.”

“So what would have changed?”

“The pot. It would become shards of clay.”

“And what would remain?”

I thought for a moment. “The clay.”

“Right. No matter how many times you crush it or reshape it, you cannot destroy the clay itself.”

“So what have the gold bangle and the clay pot taught you about form and substance?”

That simple exchange revealed something important. Every “thing” I had ever thought of as solid and separate was really a form—a temporary arrangement of something more fundamental. The tree outside. The chair I was sitting on. My own body. All forms. All subject to change. Yet behind each form, there seemed to be a substance that endured.

“Forms come and go,” I said. “But the substance persists.”

What Is Really Real?

She pointed back at the bangle in my hand.

“Can the bangle exist without gold?”

I thought for a moment. “No.”

“Can gold exist without being a bangle?”

“Yes,” I said, more confidently this time. “Even when the bangle is gone, the gold is still there.”

She nodded. “Then which is more real—the bangle or the gold?”

That stopped me.

I had never thought about existence that way. The bangle felt real enough. I could see it, touch it, wear it. But it was not independent. It depended on gold. Gold, by contrast, did not depend on being a bangle. It could take any form.

A form borrows its reality from the substance. The substance exists on its own.

My teacher confirmed what I was beginning to see. “Anything that depends on something else for its existence cannot be independently real. It is a form—a temporary appearance resting on a more permanent ground.”

Chasing the Ultimate Substance

So most of what I called “real” was really form—arrangement, structure, appearance.

But what about gold itself? Was it truly a substance, or just another form?

As if reading my thoughts, my teacher asked, “Is gold itself a substance, or is it just another form?”

I was quiet.

“What is gold made of?” she prompted.

“Atoms.”

“And atoms?”

“Particles.”

“And those particles?”

I had no answer. Every layer seemed to reveal another layer. There was no final resting place.

Reality Is Formless

My teacher smiled. “Everything you can see, touch, hear, or think about is a form. And anything with form is limited. It exists in space, in time, and is subject to change.”

I nodded. “So it cannot be the ultimate substance.”

“Right. The true substance—the real foundation—must be formless. Because form means boundaries. And the ultimate substance cannot have boundaries.”

She continued, “If it is in space, it cannot be the cause of space. If it is in time, it cannot be the cause of time. And if it changes, it cannot be the changeless ground we are looking for.”

Listening to her, I felt my mind strain. This was unfamiliar territory. I had never considered a formless, changeless, timeless reality, much less imagined it as the basis of everything that exists. My intuition resisted it. My reason, however, could not dismiss it.

Vedanta Shows the Way

It was humbling. I had spent years searching for something solid, observable, and ultimate. Now I could see that I had been looking in the wrong place. Anything observable has form. And anything with form cannot be the final truth.

The senses cannot grasp it. The mind cannot objectify it. And yet it must be there, because everything else depends on it.

“But how can it be known?” I asked. “If it cannot be seen or thought about like other things, how can I ever find it?”

“This,” my teacher said gently, “is where Vedanta enters. Vedanta does not try to describe the formless reality as an object. It helps you recognize it by turning the inquiry inward. The substance of the universe is also your substance. If you know what you truly are, you will know the substance of everything.”

“You have been asking, ‘What is the universe made of?’” she continued. “But perhaps the deeper question is: What are you made of?”

That was another radical shift. Yet it made complete sense. If I am part of the universe, then whatever the ultimate substance is, it must also be my own substance.

By then, my bewilderment had been joined by a quiet excitement. We were getting closer.

“How do I find out what I am?” I asked.

Neti Neti

“What do you think you are? Are you your body?”

I was beginning to understand the method. “Well, I can see and feel my body,” I said. “So probably not. I must be the one experiencing the body.”

“Are you your thoughts?”

“I can observe them too. So again, I must be the one aware of them.”

She smiled. “Exactly. If you can know something, then you must be separate from it. You are the knower, not the known.”

This is the essence of the Vedantic method called neti neti—not this, not this. It peels away all the things we habitually take ourselves to be.

I am not the body.

I am not the thoughts.

I am not the mind.

Everything I could imagine myself to be turned out to be another form, another object of knowledge.

And yet I undeniably existed. So there had to be something more fundamental.

With what was becoming her characteristic precision, my teacher asked, “How do you know you exist?”

“Because I can experience,” I blurted out.

“Yes. That experience is undeniable. And what makes experience possible?”

I paused. Then it came to me.

“I experience because I am aware. Awareness makes every experience possible.”

The Substance Revealed

My teacher seemed pleased. “And that awareness is what you truly are. You can separate yourself from everything else—body, mind, emotion, thought. But you cannot separate yourself from awareness, because without awareness nothing could ever be known.”

I sat with that for a long moment.

“So awareness is my substance?” I finally said.

“Yes. And Vedanta says something even more astonishing. This awareness is not merely your innermost reality. It is the reality of everything.”

“It is called Brahman when spoken of as the substance of the world, and Atman when spoken of as the truth of the individual. But it is one and the same reality.”

Everything began to fall into place.

The changeless, formless reality I had spent so many years seeking was not hidden somewhere outside me. It had always been present as the awareness in which every search had taken place.

It had never arrived, because it had never been absent.

Living as Gold

“So I am not the body,” I said slowly. “Not the mind. I am the awareness because of which both are known.”

“Yes,” she said. “You are not the bangle. You are the gold.”

Her words sank in with unusual force.

“Our suffering comes from clinging to forms—roles, identities, possessions, stories. We become attached to what changes, and when those forms shift or disappear, it feels as though we have lost ourselves. That is the consequence of not knowing our true nature. Once you know that you are the awareness in which all forms appear, you are free. You can enjoy the forms without being trapped by them.”

As a child, I used to ask: What am I made of?

Now I see that I am not made of anything at all. I am that in which all things are made, named, shaped, and dissolved. The universe is a play of forms, appearing in awareness.

This is what Vedanta reveals—not as a belief, but as a shift in seeing. And once seen, it cannot be unseen.

Even if life reshapes me again and again—into a ring, a necklace, a lump of melted gold—I remain what I have always been.